WotL OOC Thread

[mgbevan]

HP (1d6=2)

[djhyland]

Yeah, especially if Haahqae keeps serving as the party's leader...

[mgbevan]

HP not as high as I'd hoped, but hey that's dice!

I'm really enjoying the chapter. I have followed Tulbas' thread as well and the story there has been a lot of fun to keep up with. The mine has also been fun and engaging. I was worried about the combat and felt pretty guilty about charging Darga to his death, so the resurrection there has been a huge relief. The story has been really good, just reading the last post what Raetmal enters was a definite "Aww snap" moment. I think I've got the hang of combat now, tactics are hit and miss (evidently)

Going forwards, given Gregeddin's awe of magic and the plan he has hatched to get Haahqae to teach him will probably require research and study from books, the arcane bard seems the way to go. A renegade drifting bard seems like a reasonable path further down the line.

In line with this, 10 points into reading languages , and 5 points into picking pockets is what I would like done for thief skills please.

Am I correct that there is a natural 5% increase in legend lore upon level up? Or have I made that up completely?

[JadedDM]

Gregeddin can probably acquire a spellbook from Raetmal, or maybe he can wrestle Sekla's spellbook away from Haahqae and use it for now (although he should probably acquire his own at some point). Speaking of which, Sekla's spellbook could be a good source of his first spells, as well as those scrolls, Haahqae himself (if he ever admits to being a mage, that is), and maybe Tulbas, as well.

You'll still need to roll to learn new spells, of course.

And yes, your Legend Lore increases to 10%. And your Rally Allies ability now lasts 2 rounds and has a range of 20 feet now.

[Haahque]

Oh I just found the XP summaries ><

I noticed that in chapter 1 I got 2xp from the optional bonus xp for gaining 1sp worth of treasure, but in chapter 2 I saw no such bonus (and I picked up quite a bit more treasure, perhaps it needs to be appraised and sold first?).
I had thought there were also bonuses for mages for using spells effectively.
I was somewhat surprised at how high the bonuses were for hiding/moving silently ><.
If I got XP bonuses from both classes, would that make me get much too much xp?

I read some of Tulbas's thread, but far from all of it.

[JadedDM]

noticed that in chapter 1 I got 2xp from the optional bonus xp for gaining 1sp worth of treasure, but in chapter 2 I saw no such bonus (and I picked up quite a bit more treasure, perhaps it needs to be appraised and sold first?).

Yes, exactly. And as for the coins he picked up, I wanted to see whether he shares them with the group or keeps them to himself first.

I had thought there were also bonuses for mages for using spells effectively.

Hmmm...yes, you are correct. I must have overlooked that. I'll edit in the 50 XP for casting Grease, as well.

I was somewhat surprised at how high the bonuses were for hiding/moving silently ><.

Effectively using thief class abilities at all are worth 200 XP a pop. That, combined with how few XP a thief needs to level, means they tend to level up pretty fast. Mages, on the other hand, level up fairly slow. So expect Haahqae's thief class to level faster than his illusionist side.

If I got XP bonuses from both classes, would that make me get much too much xp?

Too much XP? Is there such a thing?

Nah, if anything, even if he got bonus XP in both classes, he'll still level slower than the others, because he's multi-classing.

[Haahque]

I was going to make some reply to the effect of 1000 steel is expensive to identify an item, then I read some rules which reminded me how much identifying items sucks in 2E.

This reminds me of plenty of stories about hitting the party's tank with various magic items to figure out what they do. (Obviously something you wouldn't do if you can just go to town and ID them for 15 gold).

I think we can probably bargain him down a bit, but put into perspective his price seems much more reasonable now. It would take me 100 steel and a day to do it myself, and I don't even think that has a 100% chance of success.

[JadedDM]

This reminds me of plenty of stories about hitting the party's tank with various magic items to figure out what they do.

That works, too. Of course, in a world without magical healing...

[Haahque]

Sorry guys, I have plans over the long weekend that include me not being near my computer (gonna drive south to see a small portion of our nice friendly neighbor, the USA), so I won't be able to post until Sunday or Monday.

[JadedDM]

Understood, I'll NPC Haahqae in the meantime. If you have any special instructions for what he might do while you're gone, just let me know.

[Haahque]

If there's downtime, hide in my room and try to learn all the spells in Sekla's spell book.

[JadedDM]

Should the group decide not to keep the Staff-Spear +3 and instead trade it in, I'll explain the process for trading magical items (even if the group does decide to keep it, it may be worthwhile to know this for future reference).

It's actually pretty simple. All magical items have an XP value. This is the value used to determine how much any magical item is worth. For instance, a Staff-Spear +3 is worth 2,000 XP. Therefore it could be traded for another item worth 2,000 XP...or two items worth 1,000 XP each, or 10 items worth 200 XP each, or one item worth 1,300 XP and another worth 700 XP, or any combination along those lines.

Raetmal has a decent inventory, although it should be larger, but magic is treated with superstition and disdain, and being a foreigner and a Silvanesti hurts his business, too. I'll list his inventory below, but for simplicity sake, I'll only include items that are worth 2,000 XP or less and can be used by at least one party member.

Potions
Potion of Invisibility (x8) - 250 XP
Potion of Heroism (x6) - 300 XP
Philter of Glibness (x4) - 500 XP
Potion of Perception (x6) - 300 XP

Oils
Oil of Etherealness (x3) - 600 XP
Oil of Fiery Burning (x4) - 500 XP
Ladonna's Aphrodisiac (x8) - 250 XP
Oil of Impact (x2) - 750 XP

Scrolls
Protection from Cold Scroll - 2,000 XP
Protection from Magic Scroll - 1,500 XP
Protection from Electricity - 1,500 XP
Protection from Fire - 2,000 XP
Protection from Gas - 2,000 XP
First level spells - 100 XP each

Rings
Ring of Invisibility - 1,500 XP
Ring of Protection +1 - 1,000 XP
Ring of Human Influence - 2,000 XP
Ring of Protection +2 - 2,000 XP

Rods, Staves and Wands
Wand of Earth and Stone - 1,000 XP
Wand of Enemy Detection - 2,000 XP
Wand of Illumination - 2,000 XP

Books, Librams, Manuals and Tomes
Collapsing Spell Book - 1,500 XP

Jewels, Jewelry, and Phylacteries
Amulet of Extension - 1,000 XP
Amulet of Far Reaching - 1,000 XP
Brooch of Shielding - 1,000 XP

Clothing
Mantle of the Mundane - 1,000 XP
Robe of Vanishing - 1,000 XP
Cloak of Protection +1 - 1,000 XP
Gauntlets of Dexterity - 1,000 XP
Gauntlets of Ogre Power - 1,000 XP
Hat of Disguise - 1,000 XP
Boots of Balance - 1,000 XP
Gloves of Evasion - 1,000 XP

Armor
Leather Armor +1 - 500 XP
Leather Armor +2 - 1,000 XP
Leather Armor +3 - 1,500 XP
Leather Armor +4 - 2,000 XP
Studded Leather Armor +1 - 500 XP
Studded Leather Armor +2 - 1,000 XP

Weapons
20 Sheaf Arrows +1 - 500 XP
20 Flight Arrows +1 - 500 XP
Sling +1 - 500 XP
12 Bullets +1 - 500 XP
Short Bow +1 - 500 XP
Long Sword +1 - 400 XP
Long Sword +2 - 800 XP
Long Sword +3 - 1,400 XP
Broad Sword +1 - 400 XP
Dagger +1 - 500 XP
Quarterstaff +1 - 500 XP

Misc.
Deck of Illusions - 1,500 XP
Lens of Valuation - 1,000 XP
Rope of Climbing - 1,000 XP

[Haahque]

Now comes the harder task of divvying up the magic loot.

On one hand I think, it's much harder to find a +3 item then a set of +1 items, given how looting works in most game systems and games, which makes me think the best choice is to just get Kendra a +3 longsword or swap it out for a useful 2k xp item for one person.

Another part of me wants to play more "fair" and get everyone who was with us a piece of the loot, which means splitting it up into about 4 items worth 500xp each. I would settle for a short bow +1 if this is the case.

And then there's a number of middle-items which look interesting and useful, such as the gloves of evasion, which give +10% to lock picking, with rope use and escaping restraints as nice riders.

And part 4 says it would always be good to have 1 or 2 potions of heroism to help us through any really though fights, as I seem to remember they help a lot at low levels.

[JadedDM]

All good points.

Keep in mind, thought, that Haahqae still has those scrolls that might prove valuable. And even if they don't, he could conceivably trade them in for something more useful, as well.

[HorizonsDream]

I'm of the opinion that Kendra doesn't need a +3 weapon this early in the game even though it would be useful.

Though, she could still get a +1 long sword. That way the others can get something too.