WotL OOC Thread

[Haahque]

No! My one weakness that destroys all my plans. A compelling in character reason why my character would forget what he's doing and do something stupid.

[JadedDM]

On the bright side, two PCs are in the same general area for the first time (albeit on opposite sides of the marketplace).

[Haahque]

Would Haahqae see the crowd parting to let Kendra in anywhere near him or is that from the other side of the crowd?

[JadedDM]

Yes, he should be able to see her (she's certainly drawing attention to herself) and hear her speaking to the prophet.

[JadedDM]

That has to be some kind of record. Khush didn't even make it to the city gates.

I can't really see any way out of this. Divine intervention is a bit blase at this point, not to mention that Khush's god is fake anyway. Even if the goblins don't finish him off, and by amazing coincidence someone comes upon him and bandages him up before he bleeds out, without healing magic he'll be comatose for days, which effectively benches Breila for a long time anyway (we've been playing for nearly two weeks so far, and only half an hour has passed in-game!).

Unless anyone has any bright ideas, looks like Breila may need a new character concept.

[NoTrammeling]

Well, goblins would normally just strip him and leave him for dead right? Is it possible the child could return to see what became of his mother, then bind him and fetch a healer? It would still leave Breila out but at least she'd keep her char ^^;

[JadedDM]

As I said, it is possible someone could bind his wounds before he dies.

They'd have to do so in under 8 minutes, though.

And Breila'd have to sit out while her character recovers anyway, which would take (depending on whether this person has the healing/herbalism proficiencies or not) anywhere from 2-3 days.

[Breila]

It's OK.
When I read the encounter, I knew it would be a matter of lucky or unlucky dice, but just going on didn't seem an option for a good-aligned character.
I tried to create a diversion so Khush and the woman could tackle the goblins two-on-one separately, but that didn't work.
Hopefully, at least the child will be safe.

[JadedDM]

...but just going on didn't seem an option for a good-aligned character.

Moral dilemmas are never easy. Although leaving the woman and child to their fate is hardly an evil action, considering how weak Khush was himself. Being Good doesn't mean you are required to throw your life away in a battle you probably can't win. Now if Khush was strong enough to easily stomp the goblins and chose not to intervene or if he chose not to intervene and didn't feel the slightest bit guilty about it, that might be a different story.

I hope Khush did what he did because it was what he would do in such a situation, not because you felt you had to due to alignment restrictions.

...and the woman could tackle the goblins two-on-one separately

Ah, well, the woman was just a level 0 commoner with THAC0 20, AC 10, and a measly knife capable of 1d3 damage. She fought valiantly to protect her son, but she didn't really have much of a chance.

[Haahque]

As I said, it is possible someone could bind his wounds before he dies.

They'd have to do so in under 8 minutes, though.

And Breila'd have to sit out while her character recovers anyway, which would take (depending on whether this person has the healing/herbalism proficiencies or not) anywhere from 2-3 days.

I don't see it a strict requirement for Breila to sit out while Klush recovers, if it's done in an interesting way which doesn't require much character physical activity. There's always the useful trope for a rich, but kind family of finding him and binding his wounds, then he could spend his time healing in bed learning about the family and solving internal problems/ uncovering subterfuge/ whatever else can be done in a role play situation where a main character can't really DO much, just think and talk.

He could try and preach to the family healing him about his faith, who can recieve the ideas in a variety of ways, either as a group or each differently, which could lead to interesting interactions.

There could be a period where he can walk, but not do anything strenuous like fight, so he can teach a young son the ideas behind fighting, without actually demonstrating.

Or... he could die and roll up a new character/concept. Characters should be able to die if they do something dangerous and have a string of bad luck at the wrong time, otherwise it trivializes the game. But as mentioned, goblins aren't likely to strait out kill the character, so it's up to what the DM and Breila want.

Just some thoughts.

[JadedDM]

Ah, well what I meant by 'recovers' is 'recovers consciousness.' It would take 2-3 days of game time for Khush to regain enough HP to actually wake up. That's what I meant by Breila being stuck on the bench even if he did survive somehow.

[Haahque]

While that may be realistic, in terms of game, being unconscious is royally uninteresting, I'd be ok with lowering that to 2-3 hours unconcous then 2-3 days without any "heavy lifting" or time spent in bed without the ability to advisably move.

As said, up to the dm and the wounded player

[Breila]

Am I suddenly unable to express myself correctly in English?

What I meant was that Khush tried to create a situation in which he and the woman could fight first one goblin, then the other, being each time two humans to one goblin.

I as a player didn't have the info that NoTrammeling gave: "goblins just strip them and leave them for dead". I was under the impression that goblins fought to kill. Had I had that info, Khush would have tried to offer his meagre belongings - his money and his sling - to the goblins, like "look, this is all you could get anyway, so why not let us go unharmed".

But what is done is done. When I read about the two goblins, I thought: "And how am I going to survive this?" I knew that the woman and Khush were weaker than the two goblins, and so a direct hand-to-hand fight would depend on lucky dice. So I tried tactics, but that didn't succeed, perhaps also because I didn't state clearly Khush wanted to charge the goblin attacking the woman, not the one who went to investigate. Had that charge surprised him, succeded and made him prone, we could have won.

Khush would have been an interesting character to play, but you don't need get out of your way to save him.

[Just_Ice]

It's not impossible that a band of incoming refugees, mysterious wanderer or say, hobgoblin mercs could strip him of his stuff and patch him up. This isn't a record to Haahque and I- we've seen TPK before reaching first destination before. That said, there is some validity to letting a player try, but die. It's a tricky prospect- lots of ways to save him, but not a ton of reason to do it outside of narrative ones. Goblins killing players is occasionally good world building, if not good to play.

If I was DM I'd probably flip a coin on this one.

[JadedDM]

Am I suddenly unable to express myself correctly in English?

What I meant was that Khush tried to create a situation in which he and the woman could fight first one goblin, then the other, being each time two humans to one goblin.

No, I get that. I'm just saying that 1 + 0.1 is still only 1.1.

If I was DM I'd probably flip a coin on this one.

Well, seeing as how I just saved Breila's character from death in another game, I should probably make this one stick.

It's for the best anyway. It serves as a warning to the rest of you. *looks at each of you in turn with sinister intent* You could be next!