Labyrinth OOC

[TristenC]

Perhaps they were three at the lowest level of society, basically slaves seeking to escape the oppression of the matriarchy. Though still evil and selfish in their own right, they decided to take their chances and flee. The encounter with them is meant as a windfall to help us progress, not a challenge; so their gear will be limited.

The Drow found and turned to Ke'Sha's service weren't warriors, but I'll say they managed to squirrel away a little bit. They will have a magic +1 short sword each and chainmail armor. None of them have darts, crossbows or javelins (which is what Drow typically use the sleep poison on). Fortunately the jujus are still able to use the swords they had in life, or possibly other basic gear the party finds in the labyrinth

[Styrius]

Just my two cents here on Axid's reaction. Axid has on purpose avoided Kesha. Kesha, in Axid's opinion, is pushing buttons and his talk or the way his talk is received is putting Kesha in the category of creatures to keep distance from. Kesha doesn't seem worthy of trust to him. Axid at this point is strongly of the opinion that if he were to die in the maze, the evil, cannibal halfling would try to make Axid into undead and serve him. So, Axid has willfully stayed away from conversations related with Kesha and had no idea what Kesha was up to. While I can read what has been written, Axid was in the dark and I played him as such. The appearance of rather foul undead including a demon-kin is a far stretch in his book. He may be neutral aligned but the extremes of the alignment spectrum will cause him to react. As Torath pointed out the appearance of angels to rescue a demon would have similar affects on Axid. That being said I think the roleplaying is good and we (the players) are doing fine playing the characters as they would be behaving. However we should keep metagaming to a minimum. We need to keep things believable in a make believe world if that makes sense.

[Lord Torath]

So how do you feel about the proposed ret-cons?

[Nocturno]

Jag will not like if evil monsters from the Labyrinth were used for the undead, but he understand the type of cleric he is rolling with. In his years of experience in crawling these types of dungeons, as long as only the ones who deserve it, get it, he will go along with it.

He also understands the bargains that can be struck, and if he is satisfied with the answer that the bargain is not going to cost an innocent their soul/life/lively hood, he is going to roll with it.

Jack still is still neutral, and watches his back at all times.

[Styrius]

As a player, I’m just rolling with it all. My personal goal is to have a good time and play along with scenes as the characters would behave given what they know. I’m hoping that since the PCs are now back in the Labyrinth, the group can make progress even if the bicker and fuss. It might even be adding flavor to the campaign as this place has some kind of tie to Pandemonium. Maybe it as an influence on the PCs that they don’t know.

[Lord Torath]

So no one objects to the ret-con?

Tristan, can you give us an official list of all the things that were changed?

[TristenC]

Ret-Con changes:
Ke'Sha never went to the village that night, instead he went into the cave but not the Labyrinth. There he and Allikhain ran into 3 drow. Overcame them and turned them into the 2 jujus and the wight.

Basically everything else is the same

[Lord Torath]

So should we just assume that Stephan asked Ke'Sha about where the undead came from, Ke'Sha gave a straight forward (and truthful) reply, we discussed how the demon was bound, and agreed (some of us more happily than others) to let the demon and the undead help us in the Labyrinth? Maybe with another conversation about how teammates don't spring surprises on each other?

[TristenC]

I'm good with that if the players are

[Nocturno]

Yes, I'm good.

[Lord Torath]

No sounds of distressed poultry come from below

Would we expect to hear sounds through a Wall of Force?

[TristenC]

That's a good question. I'll say 'not well'. It would be like shouting at someone through a thick glass wall, muffled at best. so unless the chicken was making really loud noises they probably wouldn't expect to hear anything.

Regarding the spectre. Since it is magical force, I would say the spectre cannot pass through it.

[Lord Torath]

Copied from the In-Character thread:

I'm also not entirely convinced one can see clearly through the dimensional door ability. It says people pass through an alternate dimension and describe it as 'a vaguely outlined portal. And while objects can be thrown or fired through as well, it gives no indication I can find that there is clear view. My inclination is that at best it would be like attacking into darkness or invisible creatures, which the -4 penalty to hit seems to support. For many abilities one needs to be able to see the target. What specific ability is he asking Axid about? If it doesn't require seeing the target it may be doable. If it requires contact that needs to be established first.

I'll see if there is any clarification in the errata or other official sources

When Arlik thought the warriors were ready, he closed his eyes and called upon the Way. Directly before him, a dim blue portal appeared in midair. Through it he could see the darkened interior of a tent. "Go swiftly," he whispered to Sorennok. "I can't maintain the doorway for long."

Flavor text at the start of the Psychoportation section, but it does show you can see through a Dimensional Door.

I was under the impression that the 'blood bubble' didn't completely cover the 'hole' in the floor, since Jag & Co were able to see the torch he pushed through reach the bottom of the bubble. I probably misinterpreted that.

Regarding Mindlink vs Sight/Sound link, keep in mind that Mindlink is entirely voluntary. Sightlink and Soundlink can be used for spying without alerting the subject. Also, if a static image is allowed through mindlink, what's preventing a series of static images? Aka a moving image?

[TristenC]

Ok, that description in tWatW is pretty straightforward, I can accept that.

I also found the 'Dimensional Screen' ability in tWatW (basically a cylindrical defensive dimemsional door) that mentions Charm Person as being able to be used through the screen, which requires a specific target so I see that as further supporting evidence.

I think using mindlink to basically duplicate that aspect of another more advanced power (that requires mindlink to learn it in the first place) falls into the category of scope creep for me. I'd rather not get into the weeds of trying to nail down a particular 'fps' rate of image sharing. We're not going to turn this mental image sharing into 'choppy video'. There is another ability for that already, even if it does have additional capability (like being involuntary for the subject).


The blood bubble basically sits with the bottom partially below the level of the floor. The edge of the bubble seems to interact with the wall of force to 'bend' it this way. The torch was forced into the bubble but the bubble remained in place and they could see the torch lying within the bubble at it's bottom. I probably could he written that more clearly

[Lord Torath]

Mindlink is a science, where Sight and Sound Link are only devotions. Sciences are more powerful than devotions.