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I may be able to make another post tonight or tomorrow morning, but then I'll be without internet for two weeks. Here are Ouragana's plans:
- seek out Sierra and explain that she'd like to magically mend all broken things on the ship. She needs to get rid of the spells she stored just in case the cannon had backfired.
- consult with Thaddeus on the subject of magically subduing people. Hopefully, the spell will wear of by itself! Otherwise, she won#t try to buy the slave girl from Raven.
- get to know the slave girl a little to decide if she wants to buy her - or trade her for some mending around the orphanage - if she could make a good apprentice

All this would be opportunity for great roleplay, but with me AFK, it could be enough to just decide on the outcome.

BishGada wrote:I guess I started a ritual for Baeros to charge at the enemies without thinking.

Yeah, his WIS has been dropping dramatically ever since he was introduced.

Breila wrote:Hopefully, the spell will wear of by itself!

Even if it doesn't, either Ouragana or Jocelyn could try dispelling it at some point. If the spell is stronger than either of you, given enough time, you'll beat the odds.

Breila wrote:- get to know the slave girl a little to decide if she wants to buy her...if she could make a good apprentice

Are there specific qualities you are looking for? Or just her having an INT score high enough to learn it?

I thought conclusions, learning and such belong to INT department.

It is, but that isn't what I was referring to. Baeros is reckless, impatient, short-tempered, irreverent, short-sighted and naive. These are all of the symptoms of a low WIS score.

impatient, short-tempered, irreverent are low CHA as far as I see it.
short-sighted can be argues if WIS or INT
reckless - could be argued as brave besides the final combat when was he reckless? He event didn't try to kill the Oni!
naive - he is still young, and in love...

Anyway, I hope everyone is enjoying the game. If I ruins it for you we can kill Baeros and I'll come up with a nice character...

BishGada wrote:impatient, short-tempered, irreverent are low CHA as far as I see it.

Nope. Patience is based on WIS which is why children have it less than adults. It's also why it's the prime score used for fishing (a low WIS character is too impatient to sit still long enough to catch lots of fish). Same with fire-building or hunting, which also both require patience and are WIS-based.

Temper is also based on WIS. This overlaps with patience a bit, but Wisdom represents, among other things, one's ability to consider the consequences before acting. A character with a short temper acts on pure emotion without thinking things through. Wisdom also represents your ability to control your emotions and not let them overwhelm you; your willpower, basically. Baeros seems to have little control over his feelings, though.

And of course reverence is based on WIS. WIS is the prime requisite needed to cast divine magic.

BishGada wrote:short-sighted can be argues if WIS or INT

Not really. Intelligence is what you know and wisdom is common sense. Short-sightenedness is the inability to understand consequences and is a sign of a lack of common sense. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand cause and effect. If you run around in the rain, you'll likely catch a cold. If you hold your breath too long, you'll pass out. If you jump off a hundred foot cliff, you are going to die, or at least sustain serious injuries.

BishGada wrote:reckless - could be argued as brave

There is a difference between the two, though. Bravery is facing your fears. Recklessness is putting yourself or others into needless danger. Baeros doesn't strike me as someone who is afraid, but doesn't let that fear control him (which is how I'd define 'brave') but rather as someone who has no idea he's even in danger or has reason to be afraid in the first place. (Was he really intending to sacrifice himself to save the others from those bullets, or was he just too oblivious to realize how much damage guns can do and assumed he'd be fine?)

BishGada wrote:naive - he is still young, and in love...

Perhaps, but I was also referring to his 'black and white' views of morality and incredibly simplistic philosophy of life. I hope this statement means he will one day outgrow it, though.

Look, I'll put it this way then. If, in your mind, Baeros acts like someone with a high WIS...how would you change his behavior if he had a low WIS instead? Would he even change at all? (How would you even define the WIS score and what it represents?)

First, I tried to smooth things out trying to be funny. Obviously Baeros and I share the same CHA reaction rolls.
Second, I think a lot of subjects are in the gray area between INT and WIS in real life. You can't make clear distinction. You know that running in the rain make you sick but you don't get the cause or effect, or the other way around... There is mutual affect of these characteristics.

Regarding cause and effect, you might not need to be rocket scientist, but at least know Newton 3rd law.

Baeros was ready to draw all attacks to him. He truly concerned about the others. True that he wasn't aware how bad guns can get, but he wouldn't change his ways if he knew. (I wasn't sure he would survive). He also was in front line when fought zombies, demon etc. And each time he wasn't unwise about it. He tried to protect other, make maneuvers, warn the others and so on, so he wasn't ignorant to the danger.

It's not that I can disqualify your arguments, (or that I want to) but I think if I wasn't doing "all that", then I wasn't playing low CHA low INT character. I think actions are the result of the combination of the characteristics and you can't always distinguish them.

That's fine then. How you play your character and interpret his personality is up to you. I was just pointing out that you were playing him not only as low INT and CHA but also that his WIS has been dropping over time. I was just offering some advice to help him become a little more valuable to the others in the party, as he's starting to alienate the other PCs now. But if that's okay with you, then I'll let it go.

Issues between close friends happens in real life too. I try to be loyal to the attributes as I role play him. Of course I hope his relationship with the other will improve, but I want it to happen without him agreeing with everything Ouragana or Jocelyn thinks or being nice to them or the NPCs they meet.
I think he established some kind of distant mutual respect with Brock, even that he mocked him few times. I think he did show compassion to Ouragana many times during the time they know each other, even though he sometimes gives complete tactless remarks.

I took note of your comments. I'll try to play him wiser without making him more intelligent.
If at the end the relationship with the group will explode I'm fine with that too.

(OOC: @Jaded: What's going on here? You said it was netted and couldn't move or attack?)

No, #1 was netted. Val and Naras then targetted the netted one, killing it. The other one, #2, is still free.

JadedDM wrote:Val fires a net of snaring at Ixitxachitl 01 with her trident of the hunter (+2 hit) [TN 9] (1d20+2): 9+2 = 11, hit. Ixitxachitl 01 is ensnared in a net.

Nuke wrote:Feeling the pain, Val stabs foe #1

Chris1234 wrote:Naras tries to stab the remaining Ixitxachitl (#1), hoping to save her remaining Command spell for anything nasty further into the complex.

JadedDM wrote:Ixitxachitl 01 is ensnared and cannot move or attack.
Ixitxachitl 02 bites at Naras who is using her magical shield (-2 hit) [TN 9] (1d20-2): 12-2 = 10, hit for (3d4): 3,3,1 = 7 damage. Naras is now critically wounded.
Naras stabs her magic (+1 hit/dmg) spear at Ixitxachitl 01 and hits, dealing (1d6+1): 3+1 = 4 damage. Ixitxachitl 01 is now seriously wounded.
Val stabs her Trident of the Hunter (+2 hit/dmg) at Ixitxachitl 01 and hits, dealing (1d6+5): 3+5 = 8 damage. Ixitxachitl 01 dies.

I thought Val had killed the free one. Wouldn't have talked to a free one nor considered drinking a potion; all of those things would be daft.

That's why Naras and Val didn't make attack rolls to kill #1, because it was ensnared. It was also why I asked if you wanted to take an action that round instead of just talking, why Val kept fighting, and why I said "Actions for Round 4?" instead of "End combat."

Thanks. And asking Val to help her kill a defenceless foe whilst ignoring an active one (for two rounds) makes sense. Fine. If she's that stupid, she deserves to die.

Jaded, you asked what qualities Ouragana was looking for in the slave girl, besides the minimum intelligence to be a mage. it would have been a generally open mind (often goes with intelligence, but not always) and curiosity about the world.
In fact, her idea was to save at least one of the girls in Raven's orphanage from the life of crime or prostitution that's in store for them. With the price he now asks for the girl they rescued, she is likely to drop the matter.
Though she is curious why the girl is considered so valuable. What price would be considered normal for a slave? The PHB's price list for services (p. 68) gives a day earning of about 1 sp for moderately qualified service, so 500 gp would pay for 5 000 days of work, which uninterrupted would be more than 13 years. So why buy a slave who might not last that long and has to be provided with room, board and clothing?