Scarlor OOC thread

[Nocturno]

Am I still in combat?

[spike]

The Dwarf and Elf do not pay you any heed, except when you were trying to fire at the Owlbear. You healed yourself fully, what does Delilah do? You see that the Dwarf and Elf made short work of Idrys and the Dhampir went over the railing into the river below.

There are ten village fighters attempting to skewer the creature with spears.

[spike]

Current map of village square

[Nocturno]

Can Delilah see the circus folks who said they would tame it?

[Chris1234]

…don't worry, I never force situations on characters for sake of plot advancement.

Spike, that is exactly what it feels you did.
I went to work and I was in control of my character. I came home and I wasn’t.
You’ve told me that my char failed various rolls and Narn (her friend albeit Charmed) was too busy to notice that on several occasions Karlene was missing and that Idrys didn’t notice anything at all despite saying he was keeping a close watch. All possible of course and all necessary for Karlene to end up where she did without you giving me (or any others players) a chance to react. You did that for us, including deciding to ignore this:

…If a trapdoor had opened under her, Karlene would have screamed.

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If you want to Karlene yourself then I can’t stop you. But if you want me to run Karlene then give me a chance to interact i.e. I’m not a glove puppet.
To be clear I was loving your campaign, the race in particular and especially the budding brother/sister thing with Idrys. But what’s damaged here is the GM-player trust thing and that’s what I want us to be able to fix.
Specific examples:
Trust that a GM will be fair – this includes allowing the player to conduct their own free willed interactions (e.g. my moan that started this topic)
Trust that a GM will do as he says e.g. Will only post group interaction Mon/Wed/Fri and then does it on a Thurs
Will follow the rules (or at least announce up front house rules deviations from RAW) e.g. Not allowing baskstab with a blunt weapon when (as pointed out but ignored) PHB p27 line 53 says BS can be done with a club and (although I’m on thinner ice here in case of some special ability that I’m unaware of) Cure Light Wounds does 1d8+1 HP of healing when PHB p43 is merely 1d8.
I desperately want to want to play this game again. Can you help me?

[spike]

…don't worry, I never force situations on characters for sake of plot advancement.

Spike, that is exactly what it feels you did.
I went to work and I was in control of my character. I came home and I wasn’t.
You’ve told me that my char failed various rolls and Narn (her friend albeit Charmed) was too busy to notice that on several occasions Karlene was missing and that Idrys didn’t notice anything at all despite saying he was keeping a close watch. All possible of course and all necessary for Karlene to end up where she did without you giving me (or any others players) a chance to react. You did that for us, including deciding to ignore this:

…If a trapdoor had opened under her, Karlene would have screamed.

.
If you want to Karlene yourself then I can’t stop you. But if you want me to run Karlene then give me a chance to interact i.e. I’m not a glove puppet.
To be clear I was loving your campaign, the race in particular and especially the budding brother/sister thing with Idrys. But what’s damaged here is the GM-player trust thing and that’s what I want us to be able to fix.
Specific examples:
Trust that a GM will be fair – this includes allowing the player to conduct their own free willed interactions (e.g. my moan that started this topic)
Trust that a GM will do as he says e.g. Will only post group interaction Mon/Wed/Fri and then does it on a Thurs
Will follow the rules (or at least announce up front house rules deviations from RAW) e.g. Not allowing baskstab with a blunt weapon when (as pointed out but ignored) PHB p27 line 53 says BS can be done with a club and (although I’m on thinner ice here in case of some special ability that I’m unaware of) Cure Light Wounds does 1d8+1 HP of healing when PHB p43 is merely 1d8.
I desperately want to want to play this game again. Can you help me?

Okay, Karlene screamed. Every woman volunteer screamed, there are loud sounds all around drowning out the noises, cheers and people partying. By the time Idrys gets to the box, your imposter strolls out.

Feels, but isn't. In ad&d, you activate a trap, the trap is typically instantaneous and almost impossible to avoid unless it's magical in nature. This was a trap, a trap door and a backstab. No different than if you were trouncing through a dungeon and stepped on a pressure plate which dropped two walls over you. It happens instantly 1-2 bam.
As I previously said had she noticed the figure hiding in shadows she would've easily avoided the attack and you could have called out to Idrys for help/assistance.

Narn is charmed, true, it does not mean he is a slave puppet, only a friend, and he is everywhere throughout the vicinity. He wouldn't deduce something was amiss the exact moment in real time that it transpired. Unless you verbally request he be at hand at your beck and call, guiding you around or provide specific instructions such as 'watch over me, protect me, keep me company' then he wouldn't be at hand to conveniently intuit things which are above his notice.

I think if you want to play this game you can and should/ought expect that things do happen that aren't easily anticipated/guessed/thwarted/figured out. I did roll several times for Karlene to have a way out. if it was then that would mean that even 1st level PC's can expect that every encounter and every action was not only easily intuited but countered to the point where nothing unpredictable can possibly be anticipated like ever. These things take place time to time for chcharacter dev, not to try and malign your PC for kicks, fyi so try to bear that in mind. You take that with a grain of salt you'll find interesting fun things happen. In terms of fairness I'm actually beyond fair and don't religiously adhere to every rule as a justification for doing things.

Fyi club and blackjack I never ruled out for BS, only quarterstaff. If you compared the three, you'll see there's a incredible length disparity between club and staff, by an arms length. Up close you're trying to backstab someone with such a long blunt weapon seems pretty implausible to me. I think the most that would result is a very bad bruise.

Same goes for Idrys looking to see if his sister was acting weirdly, sure you know out of context that something is awry but that should not translate to suddenly your character is instantly suspicious that that isn't who that is, or to infer some subtle wrongness in a line about wine. Especially when your sister is still very much a stranger in game. In actuality Idrys is only just getting to know his twin sister who he met only a day previously so wouldn't be familiar with all of her particulars & idiosyncracies so vividly. Additionally Karlene, having been a courtesan would be at ease with a drink in her hand and mingling within parties considering she's a spy. There's a reason I gave everyone a fairly decent set of stats, to prevail against some of these trials and challenges.

Actually we can reduce the frequency to x1/week, every Wed for now since some are on differing time zones starting now.

CLW: clerics in my world get +1 per level added up to +5 max to the initial d8. So if you're 3th level cleric your CLW is d8+3.

[Nocturno]

I'm a bit lost. Mainly wondering why we have an xp tally when there is a potential combat still going.

Isn't the mob still alive? Do I get to meet the druid? Do we watch the circus performers tame it?

[spike]

Nocturno: just a cap of current xp, I'll post it so everybody has a sense of where they're at in regards to leveling every 2 weeks.

You'll find out next posting date, which is next wed. I'm reducing the turn frequency to x1/week and only on Wednesdays.

[Chris1234]

I'd rather you discussed this rather than defend and justify what happened while I was at work.

Fyi club and blackjack I never ruled out for BS, only quarterstaff.

Actually you said this:

note you cannot backstab with blunt weapons only piercing.

The char sheet was approved with staff as the weapon with no mention of any restriction on weaponry allowed for backstabing.
RAW say sword can be used for BS with no caveat.
PHB sword: (Scimitar, Bastard, Broad, Long, Short, 2H) have SF are 4, 6, 5, 5, 3, 10 and space required 2', 4', 4', 3', 1', 6' respectively.
Q-staff has SF 4 and space required 3'.
So if you're saying the Q-staff can't be used for BS because it's too slow then are you also disallowing BS with Scimitar, Bastard, Broad, Long & 2H swords?
Or if you're saying the Q-staff can't be used for BS because of space required then are you also disallowing BS with Bastard, Broad, Long, & 2H swords?
Endpoint here is if you're dead set against BS with Q-staff for whatever persoanl view then will you tell me which of the preferred melee weapons of Lor (Two handed mace, footmans mace, staff, dagger, or chainwhip) can be used to BS and tell me to re-spec the weapon on the char sheet.
I chose Q-staff because it seemed to fit (being part-mage). For powergaming I'd have taken a footman's mace for the extra point of damage dealt v S/M, so clearly I'm not powergaming here.

OK, frequency, what was wrong with going to the Mon/Wed/Fri that you originally suggested rather than the Wed only now cited?

I'm prepared to do the grain of salt thing and hope we can draw a line under this soon and get on with playing.

[spike]

I stated you can't use the QS for backstabs, not that you can't use the QS.
You can backstab with mace or dagger.
You can't backstab with 2H sword the damage would be too great to overbalance the game, doing 2-12 or 16 x 4 is a bit excessive. Broadsword you can since thieves can use that type of weapon. I'm allowing club and blackjack because those are used by some thieves for knock out blows and they'd know the appropriate methods for application to deliver the desired backstabbing damaging effects.

Game stats aside, sinking a broadsword into a back is negates the length attributes vs. quarterstaff which wouldn't insert into flesh as easily. Broadsword has a piercing tip.

Wed for now, I'm in the process of relocating at the moment. It can go back to x3/week in about 1-2 weeks.

[Chris1234]

Ok, mace is allowed by Lor so can I swap that out for Q-staff (paying the difference of course).
TY for discussing.

Understand now on 1/w versus relocation. I hope the relocation goes smoothly; it can be stressful.

[spike]

yup, thanks.

[Nocturno]

Ok, I see I missed a couple pages of posts.

Did I miss anything Delilah would have seen/heard while meeting the druid?

[Chris1234]

@Spike: How's the relocation going?

[spike]

slow, still in logistical planning stages. Landed a new job just not sure exactly when I'll be starting it up, yet.