Original 1974-1977 (3 years)
1st Edition 1977-1989 (12 years)
2nd Edition 1989-1995 (6 years)
3rd Edition 2000-2008 (8 years)
4th Edition 2008-2010 (2 years)
5th Edition 2014-2018 (4 years and counting, with planned material for the rest of this year and 2019, at least)
That's some interesting math there. 2nd Edition was in print from 1989 until 2000, when 3E was released. That's 11 years, not 6.
So both 1E and 2E lasted over a decade each, and together they lasted longer than 3E. 3.5E, 4E, and 5E COMBINED
(23 years vs. 18 years). Undoubtedly, 6E will be out within the next couple of years, so that means 1E and 2E will have lasted as long as 3E thru 6E.
Basic D&D lasted from 1974 until 1994 with numerous revisions, but still the same game for 20 years.
Bottom line, these new editions have as pre-programmed shelf life. 5E was never intended to last 10 or 12 years. Gotta start from scratch and sucker all the lemmings into buying all the rulebooks all over again in a few years!
First of all, not everyone still has their old books. A lot of people packed them up and lost them, or sold them, and stopped playing the game for many years and are now just returning to it. In that case, it would probably be simpler to buy new books than trying to track down old, out of print ones on eBay.
Thats' nonsense. Any fool with a half-decent internet connection and a couple of hours to spare can download virtually the entire 1E and 2E inventory online for free
. Even the more rare, expensive stuff. Hell, for the price of having an internet connection for 1 day, you can own it all. There's simply no need to spend gazillions of dollars online buying it on ebay. If someone wants to recover all his old 1E and 2E material, simply Google: "[Product name] pdf" and viola! At your fingertips!
Second of all, it's increasingly difficult to find good players who know or are interested in learning the old editions.
Again, nonsense. The problem is that people are looking in the wrong places. You can't go to gaming store which is frequented by Edition-junkies who simply have to play the latest thing. That's not where you're going to find players for older editions.
When I put out the call I'm looking for players for one of my 2E games, if I'm really lucky, I'll find just enough candidates to fill four spots.
And what's wrong with 4 players?
Third, it's kind of nice to be part of the main fandom again.
Well only if you lower your standards to be a fan of garbage.
I'm not worried about being a faithful fanboy, and I know a lot of other players and DMs who aren't either.
For the past 20 years or so, I haven't really been part of 'the conversation.' Having learned 5E and started playing it, when other people talk about it, I'm not left feeling confused or left out
There are a good half dozen or more internet forums dedicated to old school AD&D. I've never had a problem finding more conversation than I could possibly keep up with online.
And fourth, 5E may have a sort of nostalgic feel to it, in some ways, but it is very much a new school game.
- a sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past
, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.
How can it be nostalgic if it's still in print?
I imagine there are those who would go back to 1E/2E, but then are like, "Ugh...I forgot about level limits. Or alignment languages. Or class/race restrictions." Or whatever old 'flaws' one might have found in the old versions (your mileage may vary, of course; some people like those things). So they can play 5E instead, and have that nostalgia feeling, but without all the stuff they didn't like. (Although of course, 5E has its own flaws, different from 1E/2E.)
Ah, I see. They're not creative or intelligent enough to simply ignore certain rules they don't like? They have to buy hundreds of dollars on new books to achieve what they can with less effort than blinking? That makes a lot of sense. Not.
These arguments make no sense, I'm afraid.
A return to a more classical feel. I submit, why learn a new system to give you a nostalgic feeling when you can still play the original that provides that feeling without having to take out a loan to buy new books and accessories?
Exactly! As I said in my other reply, anyone who had the old 1E/2E material can easily go online and have virtually every product ever put out by TSR for 1E and 2E in a matter of hours. I've never understood that burning desire some people have to reinvent the wheel. Especially when that reinvention involves a lowering of quality from the original. There's simply no excuse for having to buy new editions.